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[swoopgaz]

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Reported from people who witnessed the incident, sounds like another vigil misfire resulting in injuries.

Do we have to wait until someone is killed before anything gets done about these shitty units.

[Sadist]

I found this compilation to be quite entertaining!

http://www.youtube.c...+misfire&nfpr=0

[Winston]

swoopgaz, on 13 December 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

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Reported from people who witnessed the incident, sounds like another vigil misfire resulting in injuries.

Do we have to wait until someone is killed before anything gets done about these shitty units.

Why dont we wait until the full story comes out before u start putting shit on vigils...

[Sadist]

Well it didn't seem to stop people and official bodies nailing Argus to the wall - with/without unit, investigation, allowing the manufacturers access to units nor right of reply....

C'mon Winston, AAD bashing is sport!

[Sadist]

Oh, and for the record I think they're a lethal POS. Just my opinion. It's just a matter of time.

[swoopgaz]

I think there is already enough evidence out there to hang shit on vigil.

[Matt Hill]

swoopgaz, on 13 December 2011 - 08:48 AM, said:

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Reported from people who witnessed the incident, sounds like another vigil misfire resulting in injuries.

Do we have to wait until someone is killed before anything gets done about these shitty units.

Please copy/paste for non-DZ.com members.

[Sadist]

"I am new to the sport, new to the DZ where I am at, and I don't know all of the exact specifics. I also do not want to give out any information that is not 100% correct. But I feel mentioning what happened today, here, might allow others to consider this incident and see some possible way to improve your chances if this happened to any one of us. I did not directly observe this because a building was in the way. A jumper on "final" had an AAD fire at what some said was about 100 feet up. I don't know if the reserve was fully deployed or not. But the main dove in front of the jumper and the reserve was behind him. I don't think he had time to do much to react. He fell onto concrete and got some compression fracture type injury. He was in a good mood when they hauled him away, so he appears to be pretty lucky.

Dan "

"Normal turn onto final with reserve deploying in the middle of a non-hp turn. Canopies did not entangle but the reserve effectively served as an anchor, pulling the jumper out of his turn and sending down and backwards into the closed main door of a hangar according to an eyewitness. Jumper suffered compressed vertebrae and a cracked sacrum.

I personally did not see the rig post-accident to verify cutter firing, but a rigger who did listed it in the non-fatal incident report as an AAD malfunction. Unit was turned on on the ground and jumper opened at a normal altitude.

Everything at this time is speculation, but this appears to either an AAD malfunction or possibly the AAD getting tricked by some weird pressure differential around the hangar.

In the past, I have done test jumps with Neptunes intentionally placing them in differing orientations to get anomoulous reading due to pressure differences. I am attempting to get ahold of the jumper's Neptune to see if the logs inidcate any similar anomolous readings which should allow us to decide if the second theory is a real possibility.

-Blind "

[Gravity7]

Winston, on 13 December 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:

Why dont we wait until the full story comes out before u start putting shit on vigils...

Because the story will never come out.
Vigil will (again) claim it was working as designed, or that it is a one-off (like the other failures, including the missing cutter), or that it is only a very small chance of happening, and so we can just ignore it.

No-one will pursue the matter, because it seems that everyone who could do something has too much financial interest in keeping this piece of crap in the air.

Yes, it will require that someone dies before any action is taken (but I am willing to bet that even that will not be enough).
Let's hope it is just the poor fool on that rig, not the entire aircraft load as well.

Vigils are shit.
Period.

[Sadist]

[tozer]

Sadist, on 22 December 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Sadist. I assume that this video that you have just posted has some kind of relevance to the Vigil Bashing thread this has become? Do you actually have any facts or is the title of the video enough evidence for you to make an informed opinion? I saw a video of a "Real Life" Alien on YouTube recently, should I assume this is real?

You all shit me!
The same friggin Ranters who claimed that Argus was singled out several months ago are now openly claiming that Vigil is the worst product on the market! Do any of you have a real concerns that you have gained from any real life experience with this product? Or have you just decided you don’t like this company and product so therefore have all become instant experts?

Honestly Sadist, you surprise me the most. I expect this kind of consistent ranting from Tin Foil Hat wearing Conspiracy Theorists like G7 but have you any real reason based on your extensive experience in this sport to have such an obvious vendetta against this product?
Move on with your lives!! Don’t like Vigil? Don’t fucking jump it! and shut the fuck up about it! Don’t like it enough to even be on loads with Skydivers who use one? Fine,.... Your loss.

Oh and Merry Xmas and a happy new year to all. May your AAD’s all be banned, not banned, fire, not fire, whatever. Sick of hearing about it from people who I wouldn’t rely on for an informed opinion anyway….

[Mistboys]

Where the FRK is the "LIKE" button???

[swoopgaz]

Am i blind or does that vid not really show anything.

As far as the vigil being shit. They are continually mis firing on the air and on the ground and all that come from the manufacturer is that it fired within it's peramiters. I'm sorry but a rig sitting on the ground is not in the firing peramiter. There is obviously a flaw in the product that needs rectifying before another one miss fires and it kills someone.

[Sadist]

Nice rant Tozer!! Wooo!
Just to re-cap: my opinion has been briefly and openly stated. Don't recall that I've ever claimed to have extensive experience, will claim to follow the misadventures of AAD happenings locally and as posted elsewhere in the world. Not going to bore anyone with a rehash of that.

The rest is quoted from the original thread, DZ DOT com, Matt Hill asked for information to be spotted for non forum members.

Perhaps you shouldn't read the thread if you don't like the tone or content, or can predict where this is heading? Forums are forums, get over it.

Now, how about you pick up your phone next time I call so we can arrange some WS time?!!?